Okay (or not), I did a check in last posted CTFM map...
Here is a bit of work, perhaps completely relocating PlayerStart actors - is very miss-balanced, also it has a lot of debris data. Those "hills" are not really pathed normally, probably some of them weren't climbable everywhere. More nodes are just useless to not forget items that are not in map and others not having any route.
Yep... it takes a bit normalization process.
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Re: Map assessment and pathing enhancements
My oldskool is the original, made by Usaar33. It's very basic, mostly only has a U1 weapons mutator and the Sktrooper player model.
Take your time, there's no rush. Soon as you're ready, I'll pass it onto Anubitek to get it a better skybox.
Re: Map assessment and pathing enhancements
Okay, here are some notes.
Assuming (this is a reality) that UT's Engine in plain format a la GOTY has a primary array of 32 units (I did not study if MultiCTF controller has different rules), we might have 8 × 4 = 32 players (any players). Here we talk about 8 PlayerStart per Team - I added 10 for preserving some spawning spots. 2 of them are moved upper out of paths but allowing spawned A.I. pawn to fall into Paths-Net and being able to roam forward. PlayerStarts are located in their Bases and not like it was - Red Team was using 25 pieces placed all over the place and creating more options for this team. I don't get the point of this "strategy".
Map in subject is this... Techs to know about pathing solution:
- using 800 Range for connecting paths limited at 6 Paths/Node and 24 UU crowded spots;
- sitting under 1000 nodes - inside Engine and causing XC builder to create under VALID 3000 ReachSpecs;
- this is a prototype of Paths-Net - it can be done in X formats if we want to deliver X versions and spending Y hours in Editor. For this reason, if something is not okay after examining 100 games, we can do different things. ;
- several items isolated through hills and not doing connections normally were removed because there was no deal with them;
- stupid enforcers placed into void - buried into ground - were deleted as they were utterly useless and there is already enough weaponry in map.
That's all so far...
Assuming (this is a reality) that UT's Engine in plain format a la GOTY has a primary array of 32 units (I did not study if MultiCTF controller has different rules), we might have 8 × 4 = 32 players (any players). Here we talk about 8 PlayerStart per Team - I added 10 for preserving some spawning spots. 2 of them are moved upper out of paths but allowing spawned A.I. pawn to fall into Paths-Net and being able to roam forward. PlayerStarts are located in their Bases and not like it was - Red Team was using 25 pieces placed all over the place and creating more options for this team. I don't get the point of this "strategy".
Map in subject is this... Techs to know about pathing solution:
- using 800 Range for connecting paths limited at 6 Paths/Node and 24 UU crowded spots;
- sitting under 1000 nodes - inside Engine and causing XC builder to create under VALID 3000 ReachSpecs;
- this is a prototype of Paths-Net - it can be done in X formats if we want to deliver X versions and spending Y hours in Editor. For this reason, if something is not okay after examining 100 games, we can do different things. ;
- several items isolated through hills and not doing connections normally were removed because there was no deal with them;
- stupid enforcers placed into void - buried into ground - were deleted as they were utterly useless and there is already enough weaponry in map.
That's all so far...
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Re: Map assessment and pathing enhancements
Overall assessment, with 2 notables:
· Bots seem to have a problem with the lifts.
· Bots getting the other team's flag make no effort to bring it back to their own base.
· Bots seem to have a problem with the lifts.
· Bots getting the other team's flag make no effort to bring it back to their own base.
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Re: Map assessment and pathing enhancements
I had a previous version of this map which was crapped as well if you wanted to ask me...
Here I see the boy has no clue what a combo needs for setup - Polge perhaps was writing in some alien language his tutorials/explanations (G00gle can Translate so far a lot of languages from Earth - even if it's a bit off-match ).
The other "no return" issue can be seen in less than 2 minutes...
No, MapGarbage cannot see this issue because the two nodes at the right on the top of ramps are not having incoming paths from Flag area... There was also stated by Polge in his docs about ramps placement with a NEED to adjust node on Z axis - LOWERING them a bit more exactly.
I did not step inside map but I can see some water routes - there plain Bot might have issues and then... I will need one of my helpers added in a similar map which I need to recall...
The problem concerning lifts in reality is... not a real problem as long as there are ZERO paths concerning those lifts so Bot doesn't even care about them.
The thing which needs a bit of fine tuning is related to those kickers in the corners, closer to those impossible paths through walls
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Here I see the boy has no clue what a combo needs for setup - Polge perhaps was writing in some alien language his tutorials/explanations (G00gle can Translate so far a lot of languages from Earth - even if it's a bit off-match ).
The other "no return" issue can be seen in less than 2 minutes...
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I did not step inside map but I can see some water routes - there plain Bot might have issues and then... I will need one of my helpers added in a similar map which I need to recall...
The problem concerning lifts in reality is... not a real problem as long as there are ZERO paths concerning those lifts so Bot doesn't even care about them.
The thing which needs a bit of fine tuning is related to those kickers in the corners, closer to those impossible paths through walls
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Re: Map assessment and pathing enhancements
Hmm... a bit of bump. Mainly map has paths but I think there are spots with geometry issue and there I can expect funky reactions. It will be a pathed version and the rest is... another chapter. It doesn't develop data errors for paths but it can be with issues regarding to movement.
Those gravity tunnels are out of discussion...
Those gravity tunnels are out of discussion...
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Re: Map assessment and pathing enhancements
A prototype, I will want to know if something else is needed.
If Bot has a problem in water, I must write another helper tracker because I couldn't recall where exactly I had a similar thing before.
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Re: Map assessment and pathing enhancements
I'll take a look and get back to you, sad to admit I kinda forgot I submitted this.
Re: Map assessment and pathing enhancements
Hey, long time no nothing.
This map needs some serious pathing, and eventually more weapons; without popping into editor it seems at the moment they're largely only in the far corners of the map.
Have fun!
This map needs some serious pathing, and eventually more weapons; without popping into editor it seems at the moment they're largely only in the far corners of the map.
Have fun!
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Re: Map assessment and pathing enhancements
Except some Vials which might be needed for leaving lower area near chess-table, recommend me some weaponry and maybe places for them...
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